Re: [MiNT] Re[3]: usage of wind_calc()

[Evan Langlois <Evan@CoolRunningConcepts.com>]

On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 13:28 -0700, Frederic Fouche wrote:
> Geez, here we go again. 

Yeah, lets go.

> How do you run applications written in 1992 for win95 in windows XP?
> most of them won't work, even with the attempt of the emulation layer.
> MANY apps won't work.

Who needs to?

And uhmm ... applications written in 1992 for Win95?   Think about
what's wrong with that statement.
 
> Vice versa,  How do you run a new app written for windows XP in
> windows 95?

I'm not the one that has a problem with forward thinking.
 
> As far as linux, you must be kidding, they changed SO MANY times their
> libs that their apps needs to be recompiled all the time. Thank god
> for the source and compiler to be available. And STILL, some need
> rewrite for newer kernels and different distributions sometimes.

Actually old Linux apps run just fine as long you keep the old libraries
around.  None depend on the kernel version except some that need a NEWER
kernel.  In some rare cases, some capabilities were phased out because
no one used them.

Once something is replaced by something newer and better, then
compatibility with the old is pointless.

> The only reason someone would need to reboot and run magic, is if that
> apps ONLY behaves correctly in magic, or singletos whatever the case
> may be.

Then that application is either really broken and the author should be
slapped silly and beaten, or if its useful enough then we'll provide a
hack for it in XaAES.  

Perhaps you don't know what multitasking is, but some of us aren't
goingf to close the 10 applications we have running just to reboot for
some badly written app.  If its that bad, then I'll use something else.

> For newer applications only working on xaaes (future releases), same
> thing, if someone needs to use it, they will have to restart the
> machine to load xaaes.
>  
> Am I missing something here?

Entirely.  You don't restart to load XaAES.  You switch to XaAES and
don't look back.  Let the trash die and move forward.  I didn't have to
restart my machine to use any new application.  I refused to even touch
old versions of Windows because it wanted you to reboot the machine to
install a new app.  Unacceptable!

> Your comment about windows XP, linux and osX is just a lie. 
> Apps have to be tailored to those OS, otherwise they won't work right.

Tailored to their OS yes, but I don't have redhat 4, 5, 6, and
TurboLinux 5, and Suse and half a dozen other variants all on my hard
disk with some stupid bootloader.

Applications are tailored to 1 OS, not 10.  The only logical choice to
pick is XaAES.  If an application doesn't work, we either toss out the
app or find a workaround.

> This thread is hard enough to follow and come to an agreement at the
> end to make something worthwhile, please try not to pollute it with
> lies, that just agravates people and lengthen the process for no
> reason. 

Modern multitasking operating systems do NOT require the user to reboot
their computer to run another application.  That may have been fine with
the C64 and Atari800, but that is NOT an acceptable way of using a
modern computer.  If you feel that is a lie, then perhaps you are lying
to yourself.

> Please don't tell me I'm insane, no profanity needed.

No, the inability to accept a situation as being sub-standard and this
need to find a reason to put down everyone else and claim that they are
in an even predicament or worse, is definately some sort of psychosis.
Its sad that so many Atari users seem to be afflicted.  Everything has
its strengths and its weaknesses, but you can address a weakness when
you are willing to see it as being one.  Until then, you can't have
progress.

As long as the users and developers of the system feel that these stupid
incompatibilities and inconsistent APIs are actually acceptable, the
rest of the world will move on to systems that are supporting NEW
software and not supporting OLD software.  Thats how NEW software gets
written.